Rift (Something to look forward too)

[Evolution]

Hey All, it's Evo from the Vanguard days, thought I would stop in and say hi and share this new game info with you all, games looks promising, said to have FFA & RvR aswell as Team PvP, impressive to say the least,,,Check it out....Have fun all


http://www.riftgame.com/en/index.php


Update- Interview with Chief and a bit of gameplay footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j68253f4wbE

[Xandor]

Sweet. Looks like something I'll be trying.

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

It looks and sounds sick...but I've heard that all before :P

[Akatosh]

hey man what's up

From my experience the better the visuals the shittier the features and overall gameplay =P

but we'll see

[Evolution]

Whats up Akatosh!! Yea we will see, I honestly think this game will be good, being most the developers from EQ & GW, VG ect ect are in control lets hope they learned allot from past mistakes, really curious to the UI and gameplay on this one, they will be announcing server setup soon. Kinda early being the games set for a early 2011 launch, lot of test servers I suppose

[Keaki]

Hmm. Looks interesting. Will probably fail for sure if it launches early 2011, being that the launch for the KOTOR MMO is set to launch early 2011 as well.

[naediian]

looks awesome , ill be following this one for sure... man i dunno about KOTOR but i do love bioware.

[Tipp]

This game LOOKS great but don't they all.

[Keaki]

I have my reservations about the KOTOR MMO as well Naed, but it's Bioware + Star Wars which will mean good things. It'll probably be a great game but a shitty MMO. My point was though, that you'd have to be insane to launch another MMO around the same time as a Bioware made KOTOR MMO that will likely appeal to the masses. The only chance it would have would be to launch first, hook enough people before the max exodus to KOTOR to stay afloat, then hope that enough come back to have a playable MMO.

[Nayiin]

Bioware has recently seemed to lost its attention to detail. Kotor has continued to narrow the scope of the game and drop features and as for Rift its looks pretty good visually but any game that focuses on PVE and then throws in PVP as an after thought is generally riddled with problems.

[Evolution]

would be nice to have a good new 3rd person view MMO with a fantasy setting and mass pvp again, the good ol days

[Keaki]

any game that focuses on PVE and then throws in PVP as an after thought is generally riddled with problems.

They are usually far more fun to continue playing. That's how EQ did it. Rallos was a last minute decision to put in. Tallon and Vallon didn't come for months after the release. PvE to improve your character for PvP to control the raid content. Here's to hoping Rift does it right.

[Sumdyar_VZ]

PvE to improve your character for PvP to control the raid content. Here's to hoping Rift does it right.

This.

[Nayiin]

They are usually far more fun to continue playing. That's how EQ did it. Rallos was a last minute decision to put in. Tallon and Vallon didn't come for months after the release. PvE to improve your character for PvP to control the raid content. Here's to hoping Rift does it right.

I agree with you to an extent.... but EQ is the exception to the rule.... not because it did it better than anyone, but becasue there wasnt anyone else. Now there are more MMOs it seems, than players :/ . Modern MMOs that have thrown in PVP as an after thought with no real pre- gamedesign planning have failed. All that happens is players enjoy the game until PVP enters the picture and then balancing PVP and giving it more meaning slowly destroys the PVE.

[Keaki]

I think alot of newer games spend to much time worrying about balancing each class in PvP instead of letting the PvP community adapt to their classes. I hate to keep using EQ as an example, but ask Tipp how painful 1v1 pvp as a warrior was, without using potions, pumices, etc. Of course as soon as you add all those clickies into that same fight it's a different outcome. Which is why I say I hope they do it right. Worry about balancing PvE, and let those of us that PvP figure out a way to make the PvP work the way it is.

[Xodroc]

more scripted story and quests, with a side of randomly selected scripted random events, kind of like the old Fallouts.. might be fun for a little while, if they're not all too generic and similar. class/level system = yawn. probably a bunch of soul bound item crap and loot vending machines as usual.

At least in EQ1 people left gear on the tomb stone and had corpse runs, which was a nice anti bind zerg. full loot would be better.

SWTOR will be epic trash unless you're a total SW nerd, SWG's original concept that never got implented was vastly superior. Sad to see whats happened to SW in general, it's become an extension of sesame street, long live the originals and "almost" EP3.

Boo Hoo.

[Evolution]

I added another video showing an interview with the Chief and some pretty cool gameplay.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j68253f4wbE

[naediian]

I think alot of newer games spend to much time worrying about balancing each class in PvP instead of letting the PvP community adapt to their classes. I hate to keep using EQ as an example, but ask Tipp how painful 1v1 pvp as a warrior was, without using potions, pumices, etc. Of course as soon as you add all those clickies into that same fight it's a different outcome. Which is why I say I hope they do it right. Worry about balancing PvE, and let those of us that PvP figure out a way to make the PvP work the way it is.

I agree , I'm a fan of pve focused game play with pvp as an after thought. Almost all of my favorite mmo's have been games where pvp was put in afterwords. Almost every pvp focused mmo has been utter garbage.

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

PVP as an afterthought is fine with me, as long as they FIX shit when it's broken instead of 2 years down the road aka Vanguard. ...which is probably what will happen anyways seeing as there's VG devs in charge of this this game as well lol

[naediian]

PVP as an afterthought is fine with me, as long as they FIX shit when it's broken instead of 2 years down the road aka Vanguard. ...which is probably what will happen anyways seeing as there's VG devs in charge of this this game as well lol

Ya i don't understand why any game would offer pvp and then completely ignore the entire pvp community for 2 years lol.

Either put pvp in the game and continue to update it with the rest of the game or don't put it in at all imo.

But as long as Sony doesn't get its dirty corporate hands on it, it may have hope yet =P

[Nayiin]

When you devs are in the pre dev stage and are focused on making a PVE game and put all their time and energy into making their content new and innovative so they stand apart from the plethora of games already released, then in in final year, and in some case months, they try to broaden their target audience by adding an entirely new element to the game it generally turns out poorly.

Then in order to make PVP semi-enjoyable they are forced to tamper with classes, effecting their PVE playability/Playstyle…. Game mechanics to prevent PVP from affecting all of their new “innovative” PVE which was not developed with PVP in mind….. and then start trying to keep up with all of the anti- cheating/hacking/exploiting that enabling PVP exponentially adds.

What you get devs scrambling to fix something that was never thought out well in the first place.

[Keaki]

in order to make PVP semi-enjoyable they are forced to tamper with classes, effecting their PVE playability/Playstyle…

My point was, I hope they just leave it alone. Too many PvPers think 1v1, whine about their class sucking total ass in 1v1, bitch and complain on boards until fixes happen. Then more unbalance develops from the fixes, in both PvE and PvP (1v1) and more whining.

Now why do I not care how unbalanced the classes might end up in PvP? Because I live for group and mass PvP. Even a weak class in 1v1 becomes an asset in groups. So I guess what I'm saying, is I disagree Nayin. We are the ones that make PvP enjoyable, not class balance.

[Nayiin]

Meh easy to say but hard to believe. We quit Vanguard for too many reasons to list but PVP was one of them... quit AOC/War because pathetic PVP.... so the formula for success is obviously somewhat dependent on good PVP.

[Keaki]

We quit Vanguard because there was no one left to PvP. If it had a healthy population I don't doubt that we'd all still be playing. AoC, WAR, and Aion didn't do PvE right. You could lump Darkfall in with those. Now, you know I enjoy Darkfall, but really, what's the point of PvP in that game other than bragging rights. I can play CoD for that, without the monthly fee. Not that I play CoD, but I am looking forward to Red Dead Redemption. So PS3 for me until next year when Rift and KOTOR come out, or back to hoping that McQuaid gets an itch to make a new game.

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

We quit Vanguard because there was no one left to PvP. If it had a healthy population I don't doubt that we'd all still be playing. AoC, WAR, and Aion didn't do PvE right. You could lump Darkfall in with those. Now, you know I enjoy Darkfall, but really, what's the point of PvP in that game other than bragging rights. I can play CoD for that, without the monthly fee. Not that I play CoD, but I am looking forward to Red Dead Redemption. So PS3 for me until next year when Rift and KOTOR come out, or back to hoping that McQuaid gets an itch to make a new game.

Because when you kill someone and take their city it matters to the whole server. The people you play with are constant, it's not a random group of 16 peoples put together that you'll never talk to again. If Black Shields decided they wanted to take every mine on the server and tried to do it, it would have an impact on a lot of players. In an FPS if you decided to take 'all the guns on the map' those people would only have to deal with you for that round.

That's an extreme example, but you get the point. There's a lot more than bragging rights in DF. I also don't think we'd all still be playing VG if the population was healthy because there were more problems with that game outside of PVP being ignored, but that's just my opinion.

[naediian]

if vanguard still had the funds and player base , i would still be playing it .. regardless of the class imbalance.

[Evolution]

If this game turns out to be what we hope, I will be apping to Xanit without a doubt, not saying I will be accepted but will try :)...Can't believe how many people are coming out of the woodwork in the Rift forums, Guilds already starting to prep for recruitment, little early but always good to get your name in a bit early

[Keaki]

Because when you kill someone and take their city it matters to the whole server. The people you play with are constant, it's not a random group of 16 peoples put together that you'll never talk to again. If Black Shields decided they wanted to take every mine on the server and tried to do it, it would have an impact on a lot of players. In an FPS if you decided to take 'all the guns on the map' those people would only have to deal with you for that round.

So you pvp and get the city, or get a boat(Grats on that btw :D), but to me all it amounts to is bragging rights. It's not stopping any of those players from buying it back, or building a new one. Sure it may take a few weeks to do, but it's still doable. If I have a good round in Call of Duty, what do I get? Same feeling, bragging rights. Then on to the next round. It's only faster gratification with no monthly fee... Just how I feel about it though.

[Nayiin]

So you pvp and get the city, or get a boat(Grats on that btw :D), but to me all it amounts to is bragging rights. It's not stopping any of those players from buying it back, or building a new one. Sure it may take a few weeks to do, but it's still doable. If I have a good round in Call of Duty, what do I get? Same feeling, bragging rights. Then on to the next round. It's only faster gratification with no monthly fee... Just how I feel about it though.

What do you get from PVE? Real life loots? :P Just saying you dont get anything tangable from PVE either, just a sense of accomplishment and bragging rights.

And I dont think we would be playing Vanguard if it had a full pop server. For one we were allowed to be dicks and rule the sever becasue there never really was a healthly population. If you mix in more people.... "meaning more psi's/Druid's/Paxals ( <---- :P ) it would have just been the same repetative content with little to no meaning once we reached the PVE point we desired.

Yes that wouldnt be true if they added new dungeons, new group content, new raid content, balanced classes, ect..... but if you fix all the poblems in any game its a good game..... also a different one :P

[Keaki]

What do I get from PvE? Check page 2...

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

It's a difference of opinion lol, we'll never find an answer we can all agree on. PVE may get you better gear for PVP, but in the long run it's still just for bragging rights. Your items flow through the economy in DF so it's the same kind of thing, we have to PVE it get better PVP skills/money etc.. but our bragging rights gear and items could be someone else's the next day.

[Keaki]

No unique items in Darkfall though. Every item in the game is accessible to anyone with enough coin to buy it. And before you tell me about PvE for coin, you could harvest instead. And skill ups can be done without PvE as well. I've said it before, throw a dungeon with a unique loot list that is better than anything you can get from crafting... boom, better game. You have a PvP hot spot over control of those items. Sure, those items will still be sold, but the smart guilds would farm the shit out of it first and gear up. But the PvP would be epic. All because of what? PvE!

[Mebble]

My point was, I hope they just leave it alone. Too many PvPers think 1v1, whine about their class sucking total ass in 1v1, bitch and complain on boards until fixes happen. Then more unbalance develops from the fixes, in both PvE and PvP (1v1) and more whining.

Now why do I not care how unbalanced the classes might end up in PvP? Because I live for group and mass PvP. Even a weak class in 1v1 becomes an asset in groups. So I guess what I'm saying, is I disagree Nayin. We are the ones that make PvP enjoyable, not class balance.

Yes PvP should be balanced around groups, and 1v1s should be rock paper scissors to an extent. However in a 1v1, with proper play rock should still be able to beat paper if paper makes mistakes.

I hate to use this as an example again, but a game needs to have both PvE and PvP planned from the beginning. WoW and Aion are examples of this. Other games like VG which threw on PvP as an afterthought was largely unbalanced and some classes were gods. As mentioned before, if PvP is thrown on as an afterthought abilities and such will always need to be rebalanced adversely affecting either the PvE or PvP side of things.
AoC and WAR had pathetic PvE content, and the PvP was subpar.

As sumdy put it pvp to get to the pve mobs is the way to go!

[Sumdyar_VZ]

Yes PvP should be balanced around groups, and 1v1s should be rock paper scissors to an extent. However in a 1v1, with proper play rock should still be able to beat paper if paper makes mistakes.

I hate to use this as an example again, but a game needs to have both PvE and PvP planned from the beginning. WoW and Aion are examples of this. Other games like VG which threw on PvP as an afterthought was largely unbalanced and some classes were gods. As mentioned before, if PvP is thrown on as an afterthought abilities and such will always need to be rebalanced adversely affecting either the PvE or PvP side of things.
AoC and WAR had pathetic PvE content, and the PvP was subpar.

As sumdy put it pvp to get to the pve mobs is the way to go!

Paladins were underpowered in VG. Disciples were gods.

I'll be following Rift.

[Evolution]

The Guardians Paladin.......Don't look weak to me :) seeing Sumdyar on his chubby little dwarf with this gear will be epic rofl....Waiting to see the Defiant Pallys armor

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q90/SCE_EVOSTVO/RiftPaladin.jpg

[Eesaw]

Hummmm Loam told me about this game last week. I am not surprised to see you guys all over it. Not enough info out about the game for me to get excited. There is the mention of there being a pvp server, sooo. Maybe

[Evolution]

4 PvP servers is whats been told, we know RvR forsure, still waiting for confirmation on a FFA

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

Meh, I think I'll wait til I get a solid opinion on the game before I try it. Having too much fun in Darkfall and I just got Tamere to sub!

[Keaki]

It's a year away, you'll have plenty of time to indulge yourself in Darkfall before then.

[Xandor]

I also think TERA looks sweet. I'm not sure but I think its going to have FFA

[Keaki]

New E3 video: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-rift-planes/700767?type=flv

Sounds good.

[Akatosh]

Will there be Player vs. Player combat in Rift: Planes of Telara?

Player vs. Player (PvP) combat will definitely exist inside of Rift in many forms and fashions. More details will be released about our PvP systems and servers in the upcoming future.

Sounds like arena/battleground type pvp to me... :(

[naediian]

class sytem .. game is looking good imo http://www.riftgame.com/en/classes/index.php

[Keaki]

Dynamic encounters + PvP would work be cool.

LODIZAL UP!

[Sumdyar_VZ]

Dynamic encounters + PvP would work be cool.

LODIZAL UP!

EQ1's combination of PvE Raiding and PvP still hasn't been topped or even matched yet imo!

[Xandor]

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/feature/4329/Rift-Planes-of-Telara-E3-Hands-On-With-Rift.html E3 Write up. Lookin good

[Evolution]

PvP Servers confirmed WOOT!!!!!!!! Video states the PvP servers will be all out WAR!!!! YES!!! scheduled for very early 2011 release

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Erg8H5B208

[Akatosh]

no free for all.... lame

[naediian]

rolf the comment

"rofl that chick is standing there like ... uhh guys, i have tits... wtf!?"

but ill def be checking out this game , hopefully the beta so i dont waste money =P

[ismaris]

naed can u buy my copy of this game

[Rothnar]

Looks like a cool game id prob try it. What kind of pvp is it?

[Valthar]

My guess is that it will come out in like Feb-March just in time for it to become nice out in half of the U.S. This will lead to another army of level 40 characters!

[Evolution]

Looks like a cool game id prob try it. What kind of pvp is it?



So far we know PvP servers will be in game, as for rulesets all we know is RvR atm, they did claim special ruleset servers aswell, not sure if that means a FFA or not

[Sumdyar_VZ]

Still lookin good.

Hopefully it's not another crash and burn where I powergame 18 hours a day for a week and then quit because end-game fucking sucks.

[Vyndiin]

oh hey I remember AoC too.

[Valthar]

More MistMane hairs Sumdyar!

[Rothnar]

Please dont bring up aion, i still get nightmares from the grind.

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

Please dont bring up aion, i still get nightmares from the grind.

I saved myself the trouble early on in that one :-D

[naediian]

first 10 minutes of playing aion beta i was like F THIS

[Nayiin]

Looks like a cool game id prob try it. What kind of pvp is it?

The kind where I kick your ass all over until you log!

[naediian]

the lore behind the defiants is pretty sick

[Sigemar]

Please dont bring up aion, i still get nightmares from the grind.

rofl, no kidding. Can't wait to see how Rift turns out.

[Sumdyar_VZ]

the lore behind the defiants is pretty sick

Roleplay more plznewbtks!

[naediian]

Roleplay more plznewbtks!

you have just been playing darkfall too long where there is no story / lore / purpose =P

[Keaki]

you have just been playing darkfall too long where there is no story / lore / purpose =P

Couldn't have said it better

[ismaris]

i mentioned some bit of lore once in vanguard and sumdyar called me an RPer for the next 2 years.

GRR STORIES BAD

[Sumdyar_VZ]

Lord Ismaris, valiant cleric of the dwarves, would you do me the honour of accompanying me on my next quest?

ROLEPLAY MORE NERD

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

Lord Ismaris, valiant cleric of the dwarves, would you do me the honour of accompanying me on my next quest?

ROLEPLAY MORE NERD

That sounded pretty authentic... you must LARP.

[Xodroc]

There's a difference between well written lore and well implemented lore. If it's just some back story you read that has no actual effect on gameplay, no one gives a crap about it anyways. Darkfall has lore too, but no one gives a shit about it or needs it.

Darkfall's real Lore is the groups that fought their way to the top in the beginning, the ongoing battles for control of cities and resources, trade tycoons rising to power and controlling the flow of resources, constant politics, alliances formed and broken, even the most powerful alliances will always fall apart, because it's impossible to please everyone all the time.

It's definetately a game that Xanit would have had difficulty with if it had been there in force, probably would have done good at the start, but no way in hell would we have dominated like we did in Vanguard.

If you didn't like this rant, /blame Sumdyar.

[Akatosh]

Lord Ismaris, valiant cleric of the dwarves, would you do me the honour of accompanying me on my next quest?

ROLEPLAY MORE NERD

I remember a couple of years ago Ismaris and me were talking in vent about the state of vanguard and how it could improve.
One of the things that Ismaris talked about most was how awesome the lore of the game was and that he had spent alot of time reading and understanding the many factions and their history.
He then proceded to tell me all about the ishtaktan (or whatever its called) lore which took a good 15 minutes. to which i replied every 30 seconds with "yeah" and "nice" while hitting my head with a baseball bat and hoping he'd shut the fuck up =P

[ismaris]

haha, I think it all started when I talked about that big ring in swamps of rumug and how it was a cartheon gateway to thestra. FUCKIN YES I LOVE LORE

[Tastesicle]

That town north of APW had the most lore in the smallest space in that game. Besides Afrit, of course.

[Mendan]

i mentioned some bit of lore once in vanguard and sumdyar called me an RPer so i disappeared for the next 2 years.

Fixed.

[Sumdyar_VZ]

Fixed.

Hahaha

[ismaris]

+1

fixed

[naediian]

oh man this thread has gotten so far off track ( +1 bitches )

edit:

let me know if anyone hears when beta is gonna start , im pretty interested in this game

[Akatosh]

i just want to know if this carebear looking game has a ffa server or not =P

[Sumdyar_VZ]

i just want to know if this carebear looking game has a ffa server or not =P

Teams > FFA

If done right.

[Eiindyin_Scythe]

Teams > FFA

If done right.

But then i can't kill you like i did in vanguard and darkfall....

[Akatosh]

But then i can't kill you like i did in vanguard and darkfall....

this and AoC

[Sumdyar_VZ]

As if I can be killed wtf.

[Solim]

As if I can be killed wtf.

I killed you all the time in APW. In fact, I killed everyone else in the raid all the time in APW.

[Keaki]

Was Pedo bear always in your sig Solim?

[Akatosh]

As if I can be killed wtf.

then whats this sir ?

http://img174.imageshack.us/f/razhulpicture000vo1.png/

yeah level 64 vs level 80 damn you're good! =P

[Solim]

Was Pedo bear always in your sig Solim?

yes, for like 3 years now

[Sumdyar_VZ]

then whats this sir ?

http://img174.imageshack.us/f/razhulpicture000vo1.png/

yeah level 64 vs level 80 damn you're good! =P

Haha, I remember that, you screenshotted that you loser?

I was stuck behind the board and I asked Akatosh to kill me so I could get out! I 1 shotted level 80 necros in that game motha fucka!

[Keaki]

Well shit on me I just noticed it.

And I do seem to remember needing to bail you out more than once Sumdy, you and that Canadian counting...

[Akatosh]

I was stuck behind the board and I asked Akatosh to kill me so I could get out!!

liar liar pants on fire

[Eesaw]

Maybe a little on topic but an interesting read.

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=22861&storypage=1